One of the stupidest ideas in the Christian apologetic handbook is that the ability to construct self-defeating statements says something about the nature of reality. For example, I�ve seen posted twice this last week ( here and here ) the claim that truth can be known because the statement �truth cannot be known,� is self-defeating. Yes, that particular statement is self-defeating, but to say the opposite must then be true is willfully ignorant. I shouldn�t have to explain why, but I will. If �truth cannot be known� is a known statement of truth, then it shows truth can be known making the statement wrong. The statement renders itself nonsensical by its own claim, hence self-defeating. However, if a internally consistent statement is all that is needed to ascertain the nature of valid knowledge, how about �we may or may not be able to know truth.� There is nothing self-defeating here. The two reasonable answers to the question of whether or not we can know all truths is not ...